On this “Face the Nation” broadcast, moderated by Margaret Brennan:
- National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan
- Sen. Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina
- Sen. Chris Coons, Democrat of Delaware
- Cindy McCain, World Food Programme government director
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MARGARET BRENNAN: I’m Margaret Brennan.
And this week on Face the Nation: celebrations in Israel, as 4 hostages are rescued in a daring mission.
Plus, our new ballot has some stunning findings from the presidential race right here at residence.
Tearful reunions after 4 hostages held by Hamas for eight months have been lastly returned to their households.
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WOMAN: Thank you for bringing my son to me, to us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: But the daring operation aided by U.S. intelligence got here at a excessive value of greater than 200 Palestinian lives. And the prospect of a cease-fire in Gaza to permit the return of the greater than 115 remaining hostages continues to be very unclear.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Here at residence, the stress builds on President Biden to do extra to finish the bloody battle that is additionally taking a political toll on his reelection.
National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan will be a part of us, as will the World Food Program’s Cindy McCain with an replace on the humanitarian disaster in Gaza.
Plus, a brand new CBS ballot on what voters consider a few of the extra controversial coverage plans of each candidates.
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DONALD TRUMP (Former President of the United States (R) and Current U.S. Presidential Candidate): I’ll cease the invasion, and we’ll start the biggest home deportation operation within the historical past of our nation.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Trump ally Senator Lindsey Graham and President Biden assured Senator Chris Coons will each be right here.
Finally, the message from D-Day and the way it holds true as we speak.
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JOE BIDEN (President of the United States): Democracy isn’t assured. Every technology should protect it, defend it, and combat for it.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: It’s all simply forward on Face the Nation.
Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation.
President Biden can be coming back from his go to to France as we speak, and it will be a fast turnaround, as he’ll return to Italy for a Group of Seven conferences with America’s prime allies later this week.
At the highest of the agenda for each journeys, the 2 ongoing wars in Gaza and Ukraine, in addition to deal with aggression from the international locations not represented at that assembly, Russia and China.
We spoke with President Biden’s nationwide safety adviser, Jake Sullivan, earlier as we speak and started by asking him in regards to the Israeli hostage rescue and whether or not army operations are the way in which to free the remaining which can be nonetheless held captive.
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JAKE SULLIVAN (U.S. National Security Adviser): By far, the best, sure and proper solution to get all the hostages out is to get a complete cease-fire and hostage deal that President Biden described in public a couple of days in the past, that Israel has accepted, and now that we’re awaiting Hamas to answer.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Jake, I do know the U.S. offered intelligence assist to this army operation. Are you in any respect involved that it’s going to imperil the possibilities at that diplomatic settlement?
And – and is there an expiration date by which Yahya Sinwar has to answer this supply?
JAKE SULLIVAN: It’s a good query, Margaret. What will Hamas do when it comes to its calculus on this deal following this operation? And I, after all, can’t put myself within the head of a Hamas terrorist.
But the actual fact is that the entire world is trying to Hamas to say sure, as a result of, for all these folks for all these months who’ve been calling for a cease-fire, now’s the second. There might be a cease-fire tomorrow, as we speak, even, if Hamas would say sure to the deal.
So, from our perspective, the world must proceed to strengthen that message fairly clearly and strongly. We haven’t gotten an official reply but – response but from Hamas. We’re ready for one. We’re ready to listen to from the Qataris and the Egyptians, who’re the mediators in communication with them.
And we’ll proceed to strengthen the message, take the deal, till we get that reply.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Jake, I used to be wanting again at remarks you made on this program only a week after that horrific assault on Israel on October 7, and, even within the early days, you have been urgent the Israeli authorities for a transparent plan on what they may do in Gaza the day after the conflict ends.
Has Netanyahu accepted any of the U.S. proposals or solutions? Has he offered any of it to his personal conflict cupboard?
JAKE SULLIVAN: We do have an in depth dialogue with our Israeli counterparts in regards to the day after.
But we even have been clear, as you mentioned, from the very starting, {that a} army technique to defeat a terrorist group has obtained to be related to a political and humanitarian technique and a logical strategic endgame.
And too typically over the course of this battle, we’ve got not seen that clear connection, and we’ve got continued to strengthen the necessity for Israel to bear down, to make sure that it has a holistic technique to make sure the enduring defeat of Hamas and to make sure a greater day of peace and stability for Israelis and Palestinians alike.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So it feels like no – no settlement on that as but.
President Biden gave an interview to “TIME” journal that was printed this previous week, and he was requested whether or not he is seen proof of Israeli conflict crimes in Gaza.
He mentioned: “The reply is, it is unsure and has been investigated by the Israelis themselves.”
He dismissed the thought Israel was ravenous folks as a part of its conflict technique. But he additionally mentioned: “I believe they’ve engaged in exercise that’s inappropriate.”
What would you say is inappropriate?
JAKE SULLIVAN: Well, really, Margaret, a few weeks in the past, the State Department put out a complete report that did not simply converse in generalities. It went into particular incidents that raised actual considerations. And it made the assertion in that report…
MARGARET BRENNAN: And it was inconclusive, which is what the secretary of state mentioned on this program at the moment.
JAKE SULLIVAN: Right. And it is precisely what the president mentioned as effectively when he was requested the query.
We don’t have sufficient data to achieve definitive conclusions about specific incidents or to make authorized determinations, however we do have sufficient data to have concern – greater than concern. Our hearts break in regards to the lack of harmless Palestinian life.
The president himself has mentioned publicly that Palestinians, harmless Palestinians, are going via sheer hell on this battle. And loads of that’s as a result of Hamas has put them in an not possible state of affairs. Hamas hides among the many civilian inhabitants, holds hostages among the many civilian inhabitants…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
JAKE SULLIVAN: … fires on the IDF from behind the civilian inhabitants.
And so, sure, we’ve got requested Israel to take steps to be extra exact and focused in its army operations. But there is just one reply to all of this. And it is the reply I maintain coming again to, which is a cease-fire and hostage deal that may finish the struggling, finish the battle, finish the conflict, and convey all the hostages residence.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The president just lately accepted permitting Ukraine to make use of U.S.-provided weapons to fireplace throughout the Russian border, a restricted space, however nonetheless a brand new coverage selection right here.
Has that made a distinction on the battlefield?
JAKE SULLIVAN: From the president’s perspective, this was widespread sense.
What was taking place up round Kharkiv, which was new simply within the final couple of months, was a Russian offensive the place they have been shifting from one aspect of the border on to the opposite aspect of the border.
And it merely did not make sense to not permit the Ukrainians to fireplace throughout that border to hit Russian weapons and emplacements that have been firing on the Ukrainians. So, the president licensed that.
The Ukrainians have carried out that authorization on the battlefield. And one factor I’ll level out is that the momentum of that operation in Kharkiv has stalled out. Now, Kharkiv continues to be beneath risk, however the Russians haven’t been capable of make materials progress on the bottom in current days in that space.
And the United States will proceed to assist Ukraine in holding the road and pushing again towards the aggressing Russian forces.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, as , Vladimir Putin mentioned in response to that he – that Russia has the choice to arm Western adversaries in response.
One of your prime aides right here in Washington on Friday gave a reasonably notable speech, Jake, during which he mentioned, the U.S. might – might must quickly enhance its stockpile of strategic nuclear weapons, given the increasing arsenals of America’s adversaries.
Have you seen proof that Russia, China, North Korea and Iran are sharing nuclear know-how at this level? And what would set off President Biden to make that call?
JAKE SULLIVAN: Well, Margaret, I am unable to converse to intelligence issues, particularly extremely delicate intelligence issues relative to nuclear functionality.
But what I can say is that we’re involved. We are involved about cooperation among the many international locations you simply talked about, and we’re involved in regards to the advancing nuclear arsenals of nations like China and Russia, in addition to North Korea.
This is one thing that we’re centered on. We are wanting laborious at. And we’ll seek the advice of with our allies and companions on one of the simplest ways ahead to make sure a protected, dependable and credible nuclear deterrent by the United States. We’ve taken no choices. We will monitor the state of affairs intently.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Is this as a result of China has dismissed your makes an attempt at arms management?
JAKE SULLIVAN: Well, really, Margaret, in the previous few months, China has confirmed a better willingness, not a decrease willingness, to have interaction with us on questions associated to proliferation and arms management.
Those are nascent conversations. They’re nothing just like the sorts of intense arms management negotiations that we had with the Soviet Union on the top of the Cold War or Russia within the post-Cold War period. But it is the start of a dialogue.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Jake Sullivan, thanks very a lot for becoming a member of us from Paris.
JAKE SULLIVAN: Thanks for having me.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to our newest CBS News ballot of the 2024 presidential race, and it reveals the possible nominees successfully tied.
Among voters throughout all 50 states, Former President Trump leads President Biden by one level, 50 to 49. But if we’re taking a look at voters throughout the seven states recognized by CBS because the battlegrounds, more likely to resolve the election, these numbers are flipped, and President Biden is forward of his predecessor by one level, 50 to 49.
Joining us now for some evaluation is our government director of elections and surveys, Anthony Salvanto.
Anthony, you will have been telling us that is going to be a detailed race. Data helps that at this level. We’re now 10 days previous that Trump conviction in a New York courtroom. What have we discovered?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: That that conviction issues some. The impression is proscribed, however it’s there.
And here is why. First of all, context. Voters don’t fee the trial as wherever close to as essential as issues just like the financial system and inflation, issues the place Donald Trump has benefits.
But we do see slightly little bit of activation there, particularly among the many Democratic base, of voters for Joe Biden, who at the moment are extra motivated by opposition to Donald Trump. Specifically, the variety of Joe Biden voters who say that their major cause for Joe – voting for Joe Biden is to oppose Donald Trump is up. And it is now a majority of his vote.
We have additionally seen of us among the many Democratic base slightly bit extra motivated to prove, sort of erasing a few of that expressed turnout benefit that the Republicans had had within the battleground states and amongst a few key demographic teams, impartial, et cetera, the place Biden will get slightly little bit of traction there.
But, once more, one of many causes that that is restricted is that then the Trump of us let you know they assume the costs aren’t critical. They assume all the pieces is political.
What it does do, although, is put a highlight on the marketing campaign to outline what this marketing campaign is about. And if you ask folks, is that this a judgment on Donald Trump for you, when that occurs, Joe Biden wins these voters by 2- 1.
But when folks say that this contest is a few comparability between the 2 or a referendum on Joe Biden, Donald Trump does significantly better. And a part of the explanation he does significantly better is that Trump does higher than Biden on loads of these qualities, like being robust, being efficient.
Biden does higher on being personally favored, on being compassionate. What does all that let you know, is that every of those campaigns goes to attempt, not less than partially, to make this marketing campaign in regards to the different man, as a lot as or not less than – or extra as what they’ll do.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Anthony, let’s speak about a few of the points you say are essential to voters. The border is one in all them.
President Biden did difficulty an government order this previous week. It authorizes U.S. officers to deport giant numbers of migrants with out processing asylum claims till the border crossings quantity dips under 1,500. So it is primarily suspending a few of the asylum processing.
Trump’s been perceived as stronger on the border. Does this transformation something?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: No, Trump nonetheless is. More folks assume that Donald Trump’s insurance policies would cease or gradual border crossings greater than Biden.
Having mentioned that, there’s widespread assist once we check generally phrases for what President Biden simply did. He will get seven in 10 assist on that. It’s overwhelming amongst Republicans. It’s additionally robust amongst Democrats.
Look, context there, folks have mentioned they assume that the border is in disaster for a very long time. Having mentioned that, we’ve got loads of the marketing campaign rhetoric, talking of what folks say they’d do. You have seen the Trump marketing campaign speaking about mass deportations.
We examined that in a basic means in precept. Would you assist a brand new authorities program that may deport all folks dwelling within the U.S. illegally? And that finds majority favor. That finds six in 10. It’s strongest amongst of us who’re MAGA. It’s strongest amongst Trump supporters, but in addition from some Democrats as effectively.
And I believe that that speaks to the final thought, not simply that folks see the border as a disaster, but in addition the place we’re within the marketing campaign, the place loads of very dramatic or, , new proposals on the market are discovering favor right here.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So, unpack {that a} bit, as a result of this 62 % of Americans favor deporting all undocumented immigrants.
So, Homeland Security says that President Biden has already deported or repatriated extra folks up to now 12 months than any 12 months since 2010. And then, relying on the main points of what is talked about on the marketing campaign path, a few of what Mr. Trump talks about might be unlawful. It would not appear sensible, in some sense, to spherical up youngsters.
And then we all know that the courts have questioned whether or not native authorities would have the flexibility to do it, and federal authorities haven’t got the assets. So what precisely do folks assume they’re supporting?
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Well, if you measure public sentiment on this or actually nearly any coverage, you are getting a way of course. You’re getting broad brushstrokes.
But these sorts of particulars, effectively, that is typically as much as the legislatures and the courts in a while. We examined even the thought of, ought to native legislation enforcement be concerned on this? And loads of of us do say sure. Again, the main points of that, the specifics, you are not going to choose that up in an mixture public opinion.
MARGARET BRENNAN: They weren’t monitoring the Supreme Court choices.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Undoubtedly not.
But, look, it does let you know, although, for the viewer watching this marketing campaign, that what we’re seeing right here connects as to if it is the courts, the – what some folks say is the politicization of the courts, these concepts of mass deportations, et cetera, we’re in a special period, during which loads of of us say the system as a complete shouldn’t be working.
And all of those, when you join the dots via them, are a part of that response towards it, which explains a few of that basic sentiment for a few of these insurance policies.
MARGARET BRENNAN: It’s actually simply sort of a: “Do one thing.”
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Do one thing.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Anthony Salvanto, thanks very a lot to your evaluation.
ANTHONY SALVANTO: Thanks.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Face the Nation can be again in a single minute, so stick with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We flip now to Republican Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina. He joins us from London.
Good morning to you, Senator.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM (R-South Carolina): Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I do know you have been at these D-Day remembrances earlier within the week.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And you met with President Zelenskyy as effectively.
He has requested for extra coaching for his forces…
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … and for that to occur sooner and inside Ukraine. Do you assist the U.S. doing that?
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Yes, I do assist us coaching contained in the nation.
You know, the delay in weapons due to House inaction, we did lose momentum. But from the very starting, the Biden administration, they didn’t impose pre-invasion sanctions to discourage Putin. They did not give weapons to Ukraine early on to discourage Putin.
And now we have an opportunity to reset this conflict, that they’ve the weapons. Here’s what he wished most of all, for us to go after the Russian belongings everywhere in the world, take the cash from the sovereign wealth funds of Russia and provides it to Ukraine.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: There’s $300 billion sitting in Europe from Russian sovereign wealth belongings that we should always seize and provides to Ukraine. We have Russian cash in America we should always seize. We ought to make Russia a state sponsor of terrorism beneath U.S. legislation.
When I steered that to President Zelenskyy, he lit up like a Christmas tree.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Oh.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Making Russia a state sponsor of U.S. – a state sponsor of terrorism beneath U.S. legislation can be a really large blow to Russia.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right. I do not know that the Biden administration would log off on that, although.
But when it comes to what you simply talked about with…
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: They will not.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: … with the belongings…
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: … President Biden did say this morning he had reached an settlement with President Macron of France on using income from these frozen Russian belongings to assist Ukraine.
I do know the Europeans have not wished to go forward and seize belongings, as a result of it will harm their banks.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Yes. Yes.
Well, they – they need to use the curiosity to assist folks or – both we will assist Ukraine, or we’re not. It’s now time to present them the F-16s, allow them to fly the planes, long-range artillery to hit targets inside Russia. Go after Putin’s belongings wherever they’re at everywhere in the world. Go on the offensive.
I believe, this summer season, Ukraine will regain army momentum. Everything we have carried out with Ukraine has been gradual. It’s been indecisive.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: But if we went after the belongings that Putin has everywhere in the world, take his cash that is stolen from the Russian folks, and assist the victims in Ukraine, I believe it will do rather a lot to finish this conflict.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Your Republican colleague Senator Tommy Tuberville simply this previous week mentioned on Steve Bannon’s present that Volodymyr Zelenskyy is a dictator and unconstitutional.
And he mentioned this about Vladimir Putin:
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SENATOR TOMMY TUBERVILLE (R-Alabama): He would not need Ukraine. He would not need Europe. Hell, he – he is obtained sufficient land of his personal. He simply desires to ensure that he doesn’t have United States’ weapons in Ukraine pointing at Moscow.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Those echo some Russian speaking factors.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator, I – I’m wondering if these remarks out of your fellow senator characterize the GOP?
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: No, it represents him, and him alone.
If you spent quarter-hour learning Putin and what he desires, he desires to re – recreate the Russian empire. He’s not going to cease in Ukraine.
We celebrated the eightieth anniversary of D-Day. It was a failure. It was the pointless conflict, described by Winston Churchill. We had a dozen possibilities to cease Hitler.
It’s not about NATO. It’s not about American weapons in Ukraine. It’s a few megalomaniac eager to create the Russian empire by drive of arms. If you do not cease him, there goes Taiwan.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: So we have been gradual as hell of serving to Ukraine, however Senator Tuberville’s evaluation actually misses what Putin’s all about. He’s an outlier, I believe, within the Republican Party.
I like him personally. But what did Trump do to get the weapons flowing? He created a mortgage system. They’re sitting on $10 trillion to $12 trillion of crucial minerals in – in Ukraine. They might be the richest nation in all of Europe.
I do not need to give that cash and people belongings to Putin to share with China. If we assist Ukraine now, they’ll change into the perfect enterprise companion we ever dreamed of. That $10 trillion to $12 trillion of crucial mineral belongings…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: … might be utilized by Ukraine and the West, not given to Putin and China.
This is a really large deal, how Ukraine ends.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Let’s assist them win a conflict we will not afford to lose. Let’s discover a resolution to this conflict.
But they’re sitting on a gold mine. To give Putin $10 trillion or $12 trillion for crucial minerals…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: … that he’ll share with China is ridiculous.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I – I need to get to the Middle East with you as effectively.
Later as we speak, Benny Gantz, one of many ministers in Prime Minister Netanyahu’s conflict cupboard, is predicted to announce his resignation, which he has beforehand mentioned would occur if he wasn’t handed a day-after plan.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The protection minister has additionally mentioned there isn’t any planning for the day after taking place. Where is that this headed?
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: I believe Mr. Gantz will withdraw from the conflict cupboard, however Bibi will nonetheless have a majority.
I like Benny Gantz. Here’s what I discovered on my final journey to Israel only a few days in the past. There’s common opposition to making a Palestinian state by all ranges of Israeli society whether it is seen as a reward for terrorism of October the seventh.
The day-after plan, when Hamas is destroyed militarily, they usually now not can threaten Israel, must be a negotiation between Israel and Saudi Arabia and the UAE to give you a plan for Gaza and the West Bank, to present some – to present the Palestinians hope and a greater life and safe Israel.
That is the one plan I see working. You can’t occupy – Israel cannot, in my opinion – completely Gaza. That can be a catastrophe for Israel.
So, the hope for the day after…
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, Prime Minister Netanyahu hasn’t mentioned that clearly but, that he wouldn’t search to occupy…
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SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: I simply – he is coming – he is coming July the twenty fourth.
I’ve spent loads of time with Bibi. He is correct to need to be certain there can be no cease to this conflict till Hamas is destroyed militarily and can’t threaten one other October 7. I’ve had very detailed discussions with the – with the prime minister and with the crown prince and this administration. I consider…
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to discuss to you…
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: … there can be forming within the subsequent – wait. OK.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to discuss to you extra about this.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: But there can be a plan coming about.
MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, we’ve got to speak extra about this on the opposite aspect of the industrial break, although.
So simply give me a minute or two, and we’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: And we could have extra findings from our newest CBS News ballot on the 2024 presidential race tomorrow on American Decides, a each day present on our streaming community that airs at 5:00 p.m. Eastern.
Face the Nation can be again in a minute.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We can be proper again with Senator Lindsey Graham, Senator Chris Coons, and head of the World Food Program Cindy McCain.
Stay with us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION.
We return to our dialog now with South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham.
Senator, thanks for staying via the break for us.
Before we went to it you mentioned, by July twenty fourth, when the prime minister of Israel is right here in Washington to handle a joint session of Congress, you do count on a plan for the day after. Do you count on, given the restricted period of time left, that there can be normalization with Saudi Arabia and Congress will be capable to vote earlier than the election?
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: I believe it is nonetheless attainable. But the administration’s taken months to barter the protection settlement between Saudi Arabia and the United States, holding it over the – Israel’s head concerning Rafah. I believe we’re nearly there.
One factor I obtained from this journey was that they nonetheless haven’t got the weapons they want in Israel to complete off Hamas. So, they’ll be sending me a listing of weapons which can be being gradual walked. So, I’m going to convey that up.
But, sure, I believe we are able to nonetheless do that. July the twenty fourth can be right here earlier than it. Hopefully main army operations can be over towards Hamas if we give Israel the weapons they want. And we are able to sit down and speak about a imaginative and prescient for Gaza and the West Bank that may give safety to Israel, hope and prosperity for the Palestinian folks with Saudi Arabia and the UAE concerned.
So, that’s my hope. That is my perception. And I need to assist the place I can.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll see if that vote might be taken.
But, sir, you simply talked about U.S. army support. Our ballot out as we speak reveals a majority of Americans, 61 %, say the U.S. mustn’t ship Israel weapons. Six in 10 says Israel ought to cease or lower its army actions in Gaza.
Isn’t it time for this conflict to finish now provided that the tide of public opinion is popping towards Israel?
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: I believe it will be the – the largest mistake we might – I’ve criticized Senator Tuberville for his view of Ukraine. Let me be straight with you, Hamas would kill everyone right here if they may get right here. Israel shouldn’t be our enemy. They’re our ally.
MARGARET BRENNAN: They can.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Well, they cannot as a result of they’re pinned down over there. I need them destroyed to allow them to by no means come again to harm Israel or us. Hezbollah is alive and effectively. So, to these Americans who consider pulling the plug on Israel now makes us safer, you’ve got missed rather a lot.
Radical Islam desires to slit the throat of each Jewish individual. And your throat too. So, no, I need to give weapons they want. The administration’s withholding weapons. The – Trump was an amazing ally of Israel. If he wins this – this election, he’ll have a – one other nice ally.
I admire what President Biden’s doing, however it’s all been so gradual. So, when you do not – Iran, here is the massive take away from my journey. The IDF chief advised me he is by no means been extra apprehensive a few nuclear breakout concerning the Iranians than he’s proper now. He thinks we have misplaced deterrence. He’s asking for joint army operations with the United States to persuade Iran to not sprint in direction of a nuclear weapon. These are essentially the most harmful instances because the ’30s. Don’t make the errors of the ’30s. Senator Tuberville mentioned, give Putin what he desires.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Well, that is what we did within the ’30s. That did not work out. Pull the plug on Israel. That did not work in World War II. It’s not going to work now.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Very rapidly, earlier than I allow you to go, on this previous 12 months the Biden administration deported, expelled or repatriated greater than 740,000 folks, which they are saying is greater than any 12 months since 2010. You, this week, mentioned there have to be mass deportations.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Yes, there can be.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Aren’t these numbers mass deportations?
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: They’ve had 10 million folks come into this nation illegally. It’s the very best degree of unlawful immigration within the final three years, within the historical past of the nation. We went from the bottom beneath Trump to the very best in recorded historical past. They’re by no means going to cease coming till they see folks leaving.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Due to Covid.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: On day one – on day one, President Trump will deport folks right here illegally by the tens of 1000’s. Then, and solely then, will this cease. And Biden won’t ever do this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Well, you additionally know that Congress must present the assets to try this to immigrations and prospects enforcement, they usually say they do not have the manpower or the cash to do any of that, at that scale.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Well, if – if Trump is president – if Trump is president –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: His prime precedence can be to sealed that border, deport right here folks illegally. We’re dwelling on borrowed time with regards to one other 9/11.
If you are in search of any individual to repair a damaged border and maintain us protected, Donald Trump, I consider, is your finest case.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: And when you do not consider that after the final three years, you’ve got made – you are making a giant mistake.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Graham, becoming a member of us from London as we speak. Thank you to your time, sir.
We flip now to Delaware. Democratic Senator Chris Coons. He is the nationwide co-chairman of President Biden’s re-election marketing campaign. And he joins us this morning from his residence state.
Senator, let’s – let’s decide up on the border since we simply left that there.
This new order the president simply carried out this previous week authorizes immigration officers to deport giant numbers of migrants with out processing their asylum claims.
You have been crucial when Donald Trump used this 212(f) authority beneath his administration. Why do you assist President Biden’s use of it?
SENATOR CHRIS COONS (D-DE): Because there is a stark distinction within the values that President Biden and former President Trump convey to attempting to handle the difficulty of border safety and immigration.
I’ll remind you, Margaret, that former President Trump tried to implement a Muslim ban. A ban on entry to this nation explicitly based mostly on one faith. He additionally used cruelty. The forceful separation of oldsters from their youngsters and the caging of youngsters at our border to try to deter of us from coming to hunt asylum or to hunt refuge in our nation.
President Biden has time and time once more requested Congress to enact a broad resolution to our border safety and immigration challenges.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: And after months of negotiation between Senators Langford, Sinema and Murphy, we have been in the future away from placing on the ground of the Senate that bipartisan resolution. Former President Trump intervened to cease it as a result of former President Trump really desires an issue to unravel via his election –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: Rather than an answer {that a} bipartisan group of senators stood behind.
President Biden is shifting forward with forceful management at securing our border. President Trump is solely making a political difficulty of this.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And we should always say you might be co-chair of the Biden marketing campaign, Senator, however we did cowl that border debate and the invoice in depth on this program. But – however on the premise itself of the authority getting used, there’s loads of approval in our polling of what the president simply did, however it seems to be, frankly, like they’re simply attempting to get caught attempting because the administration admits the courts possible will halt this. The ACLU says they’ll sue over it. Asylum is a human proper beneath worldwide legislation.
What do you assume that is signaling to – to Biden supporters, significantly within the progressive left of your celebration?
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: I believe it is signaling that President Biden is decided to handle points which can be of very broad concern to the overwhelming majority of Americans. He would like that it’s carried out by laws.
As you simply identified, laws that might present the assets, the judges, the processing, the immigration funding that may make for a extra balanced, humane and sustainable resolution to our border disaster.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: I’ll remind you, former President Trump tried to make use of gimmicks like constructing a border wall and is now threatening to nationalize the – the – to federalize the National Guard and use it to deport tens of tens of millions of individuals already right here within the United States.
The distinction between Trump’s strategy and Biden’s strategy is one in all cruelty versus effectiveness.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So solely – in our polling, solely about 20 % consider President Biden’s insurance policies would lower the variety of migrants. Are you apprehensive that it is simply just too late? I imply we have been speaking about course of in Congress. We’ve been speaking about this government order for months now and the set off was simply pulled this week. Is it too late?
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: No, I do not assume it’s as a result of, frankly, I believe the American folks perceive the distinction between substance and showmanship. President Biden, yearly in his State of the Union, has requested for bipartisan initiatives to handle the border and to handle immigration. And there’s one celebration, the Republican Party, that point and time once more has rejected bipartisan options to immigration and the border.
And, frankly, what I additionally hear, as I’ve campaigned throughout our nation for our president –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: Is grave concern in regards to the dedication to reproductive rights, to basic freedoms by the present MAGA Republican majority and by former President Trump.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: He is bragging that he nominated to the Supreme Court three justices who reversed Roe versus Wade and who’ve now put contraception in danger. That’s why we took a vote within the Senate final week, Margaret –
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: To make it clear that Democrats will shield basic rights, the place Republicans, beneath the management of former President Trump, are placing them at actual danger.
MARGARET BRENNAN: I need to ask you in regards to the Middle East.
You described Prime Minister Netanyahu’s final deal with to a joint session of Congress in 2015 as a political rally towards then President Obama.
We’re on this election 12 months. There has been stress between our two leaders. Do you count on the prime minister to have an election rally towards President Biden?
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: Boy, I positive hope not. But Prime Minister Netanyahu has a protracted report of being very partisan and really divisive. For many years, Margaret, the robust bipartisan assist for Israel, for its safety, has been an indicator of our shut alliance.
But I’ll remind you, Prime Minister Netanyahu is not simply divisive right here, he is divisive at residence.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: For months and months earlier than the October seventh assaults, the biggest protests in Israeli historical past have been occurring week after week within the streets of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem towards steps that Prime Minister Netanyahu was taking, placing susceptible to rule of legislation. And Benny Gantz, a centrist, embellished IDF conflict hero, will possible as we speak announce that he’s leaving Netanyahu’s conflict cupboard as a result of there isn’t any clear plan for the trail ahead.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: Our president, Joe Biden, has been main a robust effort to try to safe a hostage launch and a cease-fire. It’s been embraced by all of our shut allies within the G-7. And it is my hope that that may nonetheless be achieved.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: But, frankly, if Netanyahu is not coming to talk to Congress about his plan for securing peace, his plan for the trail ahead, I do not know why we might go.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes. So – so why would the Democratic chief within the Senate conform to one thing that might probably be so damaging to the president?
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: Well, Senator Schumer has publicly mentioned that it was with some reluctance, some concern about how Prime Minister Netanyahu has this previous apply of utilizing an deal with to Congress to be divisive. He has an opportunity to assist rebuild and safe bipartisan assist for Israel. He has an opportunity to current a optimistic path ahead in direction of peace.
Look, I respect how laborious Lindsey Graham, Senator Graham, has labored to try to convey collectively Saudi normalization with Israel in change for Palestinian self-governance.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Yes.
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: That’s an essential effort many people have been concerned in.
Prime Minister Netanyahu has an opportunity to point out that he can be an actual chief, not only a partisan chief, however somebody who will try to safe peace and stability for Israel. It’s my hope that that is what’s going to occur and that that is why Senator Schumer agreed to ask him to talk to a joint session of Congress.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Senator Coons, thanks for becoming a member of us as we speak.
SENATOR CHRIS COONS: Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re joined now by the chief director of the United Nations World Food Programme Cindy McCain.
Good to have you ever right here in individual.
CINDY MCCAIN (Executive Director, U.N. World Food Programme: Thank you. Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Now, in a single day we discovered that that U.S. pier off of Gaza that set – was arrange by the army has reopened. It had stopped functioning for a bit.
How is it going? Because I do know you might be serving to to supervise distribution.
CINDY MCCAIN: Well, proper now we’re paused as a result of I’m involved in regards to the security of our folks after the incidents yesterday. We additionally – two of our warehouses – warehouse complexes have been rocketed yesterday. So we have stepped again only for the second to – to ensure that we’re in – in – on protected phrases and on protected floor earlier than I’ll – earlier than we’ll – we’ll restart. But the remainder of the nation is operational. We’re doing – we’re doing all the pieces we are able to within the north and the south.
MARGARET BRENNAN: How did your places get rocketed? I think about you do deconflict and share your places with the Israeli army.
CINDY MCCAIN: We are deconflicted. I do not know. That’s a superb – it is a good query.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Did you lose any of your staff?
CINDY MCCAIN: We had one man injured. But all the pieces else is ok. Everybody – no – there’s no one else harm.
But, certainly, it is – it is a sort of factor, that is why a cease-fire is critical. That’s why we have to cease this in order that we are able to get in at scale with our support and different – and different support from different organizations as effectively.
We cannot proceed this in a – in a means as a result of what nearly occurred within the north with famine might occur within the south. And so that is what we’re attempting to – to – to keep away from proper now. And it has been very tough simply due to the – of what is going on on. You know, the – we have had looting contained in the nation. We’ve had, , numerous issues round with the – , there’s all the time one thing happening. It’s very tough to function there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You talked about simply now the complete blown famine within the north. When you mentioned that it obtained loads of consideration.
Prime Minister Netanyahu was requested about your feedback by NBC and mentioned, quote, “Cindy McCain, sadly, is misinformed.” The Israeli authorities’s been placing out photos of meals being introduced into Gaza. They dispute there’s famine.
How does that sq. with what you might be seeing on the bottom?
CINDY MCCAIN: When – after I made that remark, my folks had seen it on the bottom, not solely proof of it, however the precise impression of it. Since then they’ve allowed us to get extra vans into the north. And so we’re getting way more meals in – in up there and that may stave it off.
But – however, hear, the underside line right here is, is I make decisions day-after-day to take meals from the hungry to present to the ravenous. We want a ceasefire, and we’d like it now in order that we are able to feed – and this does not occur within the south. We’re proper on the sting within the south of the identical factor occurring.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You’re on the sting of famine within the south of Gaza?
CINDY MCCAIN: Yes, there’s – there’s folks which can be very hungry and might’t – haven’t got entry due to the hazard, or due to – as a result of they have been pushed, , into the middle once more. So, we need to ensure that we are able to – cannot simply get in and feed, however do it at scale.
They want greater than meals, too. It’s water. It’s sanitation. It’s medication. So, it is all the above, as a result of famine is not only about ravenous, it is about all the opposite issues, too.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And I understand how tough I’ve heard it’s to assist a baby with stunted development.
CINDY MCCAIN: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: You simply mentioned you are – you are taking from the hungry to feed the ravenous. You are coping with rather a lot in Sudan as effectively.
CINDY MCCAIN: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: The United States mentioned paramilitary forces murdered 100 folks this previous week, together with youngsters. And I do know the Biden administration says the world’s not paying sufficient consideration to Sudan.
What’s taking place? And are they already at famine?
CINDY MCCAIN: Well, Sudan has the true chance of changing into the world’s largest humanitarian disaster. We can’t get meals in. We can barely get meals in. We actually do not get it in at scale. And you see the outcomes of what can occur if folks aren’t fed.
We’re additionally coming into the lean season, which makes it very tough many instances for our vans to even function, if they’ll get in. We want – we’d like extra – in Sangeral (ph) we’d like extra crossings, we’d like protected and unfettered entry. And that is the identical for Gaza, by the way in which, protected and unfettered entry, and ensuring that maintain – that we are able to get in and ensure we are able to feed at scale.
Once once more it is in regards to the agreements from numerous folks and numerous factions and all of this. Bottom line is, persons are going to starve to demise except we are able to get in there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ve been speaking all week lengthy about America’s function on the planet. And the U.S. continues to be the biggest donor to the World Food Programme.
CINDY MCCAIN: Yes.
MARGARET BRENNAN: When you have been right here final June and we spoke, you mentioned you have been attempting to encourage China to get entangled with funding, but in addition get their experience with know-how and agriculture.
Are they stepping up in any respect? Are different international locations stepping up?
CINDY MCCAIN: Other international locations are stepping up. You know, it is to not the dimensions that it was two years in the past, however it – however international locations have stepped up. And – and within the case of Sudan, a couple of extra have stepped as much as it.
Sudan is a forgotten disaster and its implication’s being a destabilizing consider that area can have catastrophic results because it comes down the – comes down the road. So it is actually crucial that we get the – the crossings open and we’ve got protected entry, that the – the factions – the assorted factions perceive that we’re – , we’re humanitarian and we have to have the entry.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And to your level, U.S. intelligence has mentioned that if this is not acted upon, that it may well contribute to the expansion of terrorism.
CINDY MCCAIN: Absolutely.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Just like in Gaza.
CINDY MCCAIN: People – folks will do something to feed their households. And if it comes right down to it, terrorism will be the selection they need to make.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Cindy McCain, thanks for sharing with us your (INAUDIBLE).
CINDY MCCAIN: Thank you. Thanks for protecting it. Thank you.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll be again in a second.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: President Biden this morning ended his journey to France by laying a wreath at a cemetery simply exterior of Paris the place American troopers and marines have been buried in World War I. Shortly after, he defined why the journey was crucial.
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JOE BIDEN (President Of The United States): The concept that I come to Normandy and never make the quick journey right here to pay tribute, and it is the identical story. Think about it. America confirmed up. America confirmed as much as cease the Germans. And America reveals up once we’re wanted. Just like our allies present up for us.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: Earlier this week the president marked 80 years because the D-day invasion that helped start the liberation of Europe from Nazi management and touted American management and democracy on the world stage.
It impressed us to have a look at a few of the classes of our previous.
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MARGARET BRENNAN (voice over): Twenty years after the victory at Normandy, Walter Cronkite returned there with Dwight Eisenhower.
DWIGHT EISENHOWER, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: You see that top floor proper above there?
MARGARET BRENNAN (voice over): The former president mirrored on his choice as supreme allied commander to storm the seashores and liberate Europe from Nazi Germany.
DWIGHT EISENHOWER: I devoutly hope that we’ll by no means once more need to see such scenes as these. But these folks gave us an opportunity, they usually purchased time for us in order that we might do higher than we had earlier than.
MARGARET BRENNAN (voice over): This week President Biden, a small youngster in 1944, praised the few surviving veterans whose bravery he mentioned we have to summon once more.
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN (President Of The United States): We’re dwelling in a time when democracy is extra in danger internationally than at any level because the finish of World War II, since these seashores have been stormed in 1944.
MARGARET BRENNAN (voice over): The tyrant bent on domination now, he mentioned, is Vladimir Putin, whose troopers have taken Ukrainians from their properties away to filtration camps, kidnapped Ukrainian youngsters and despatched invading forces to ravage Ukraine. Putin’s entry of allies consists of rising energy China, North Korea, and Iran.
PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN: If the autocrats of the world are watching intently to see what occurs in Ukraine, to see if we let this unlawful aggression go unchecked.
MARGARET BRENNAN (voice over): Biden wasn’t the one one listening to echoes of the previous.
MELVIN HURWITZ (World War II Veteran): Oh, you are the savior of the folks. (INAUDIBLE) my eyes.
VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY (Ukrainian President): Oh, no, no, you – you saved Europe.
MARGARET BRENNAN (voice over): Ninety-nine-year-old D-day vet Melvin Hurwitz referred to as President Zelenskyy a hero.
Former President Donald Trump has a really totally different opinion of Zelenskyy, and Trump argues the biggest invasion of historical past is underway now on the U.S. southern border. This previous week he mentioned our worst enemy is inside America.
DONALD TRUMP (Former U.S. President): I say we’ve got the enemy in from inside and we’ve got the enemy from the surface. And I’m telling you, we’re in additional hazard from the enemy from inside with these lunatics, these fascists, these communists. And we will cease that additionally.
MARGARET BRENNAN (voice over): Past presidents have additionally gone to Normandy and referred to as on weary Americans to do not forget that deterring battle as we speak prices lower than preventing it tomorrow.
RONALD REAGAN (Former U.S. President) (1984): We’ve discovered that isolationism by no means was and by no means can be an appropriate response to tyrannical governments with expansionist intent.
MARGARET BRENNAN (voice over): The ascendant far proper forces in Europe using the wave of a backlash towards migration there and a surge in anti- Semitism replicate one other pressure on the worldwide system. Similar divides right here at residence increase questions on whether or not we have forgotten that ignoring hate or appeasing authoritarians can include an unimaginably excessive value. One paid 80 years in the past by these troops who, as Eisenhower mentioned, purchased time for us in order that we are able to do higher than we’ve got earlier than.
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MARGARET BRENNAN (on digital camera): We’ll be proper again.
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MARGARET BRENNAN: That’s it for us as we speak. Thank you for watching. Until subsequent week, for FACE THE NATION, I’m Margaret Brennan.
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